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Post by Marine on Dec 3, 2007 12:03:38 GMT -6
I want eather an AR-15/M4 or AR-15A4 in 6.8 SPC, which would you choose, and which one would be cheaper to build?
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Post by Chaindriven on Dec 3, 2007 12:37:36 GMT -6
Marine, great topic. It depends on which manufacturer you choose. Armalite, Colt and Smith & Wesson M&P will be the most expensive. Rock River, DPMS and Bushmaster will be about the same. I own both versions for different reasons. For Longer range applications I have the AR15A2.
For survival applications the CAR-15A1
If I HAD to choose one over the other, I would go with the CAR-15 or the M4 Model variation.
Just something to think about. The 5.56/.223 are the same caliber bullet, but technically not the same round. NATO 5.56 ammo has a higher chamber pressure and should not be used in .223 chambers. Bad things may happen with continued use. The barrel stamp will tell you which caliber it is chambered for.
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Post by Marine on Dec 3, 2007 13:56:34 GMT -6
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Post by lobster on Dec 4, 2007 10:59:05 GMT -6
LWRC rocks Why would you even concider the direct impingment system w/ its inherant limatations over a gas piston system? It's time to mve on w/ the state of the arts technology now available.
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Post by Chaindriven on Dec 4, 2007 12:36:34 GMT -6
PVT Lobster, you have a point. Perhaps it is time to move on. However, I can think of one reason to consider this system, current cost to obtain a LWRC. The LWRCs have a great design, with a great price. Stoner’s design was trying to provide the most compact, lightest rifle he could. That was the perceived "needs" of our soldiers. After more than 30 years, the direct impingement system design has served in the front lines the longest to date for US forces and a number of NATO countries. I think that the system works. I advise critics of the AR system when it came out, to understand who made the "fatal decisions" that tainted the M-16 those first few years, Ball powder and other ammo deficiencies and lack of cleaning kits (like that was smart) was out of the rifle’s designers control. Decisions made from men who didn’t have to confront combatants. And looking for ways to save money, all at the expense of American lives. I agree, fouling is a problem with this system. That’s why cleaning and maintenance is so much a part of this sport.
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Post by lobster on Dec 5, 2007 14:36:44 GMT -6
Roger that chaindriven, I will cease and desist w/ this opinion.
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Post by Marine on Dec 5, 2007 16:23:30 GMT -6
Which one is louder or are they about the same?
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Post by Chaindriven on Dec 5, 2007 19:00:11 GMT -6
PVT Lobster, you can if you wish. I was just expressing mine and answering the question you proposed. We all have a right to our opinions and to agree or disagree. Hey that's what this forum is about. No worries mate.
Marine, if shot indoors, your mother's plates would fall off the display shelves and either will shake the dust off the rafters my friend. I have never had to fire them without hearing protection. I couldn't say which is louder. I'll say this, your ears would ring for a couple of days without protection. That I promise.
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Post by Marine on Dec 5, 2007 20:10:26 GMT -6
11 .308 will do the same, I think a week on and off
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Post by fred on Dec 7, 2007 5:08:37 GMT -6
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Post by USN CHIEF on Dec 7, 2007 20:26:51 GMT -6
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Post by USN CHIEF on Dec 7, 2007 20:27:52 GMT -6
I have the Bushmaster Patrolman's carbine..
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Post by Marine on Dec 7, 2007 22:57:14 GMT -6
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Post by Chaindriven on Jan 1, 2008 14:05:19 GMT -6
USN Chief, wonderful display of hardware. They make a great centerpiece for the dining room table. My darling bride said she would skin my hide if I did that. She likes your cat condo however.
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Post by zimme71 on Feb 20, 2009 14:04:29 GMT -6
Gotta love gun pron!! Nice arsenal ;D
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